I find this whole “is it a baby” debate to be stupid. Of course it’s a baby. The abortion debate should not be talking about IF its a baby (it is) but rather: who has the right to kill a baby.
And who does? Grandma? Nope. Daddy? Nope, sorry. Doctors? Well, sometimes, yeah.
What are the criteria doctors use to determine whether or not to withdraw life support from a baby, or really, any other human being?
It has to do with neural activity.
Is the brain alive? Is there an “I” in there? Can you think? Can you feel? Yes? Congratulations, you’re a person. Why should it be different in utero? A baby that has brain waves, that exists, that has an “I,” that thinks and feels and IS – how can we condemn that baby to death because her mother is a selfish cunt?
Here’s why: because even murderous selfish cunts have a right to decide what their bodies will be used for.
Babies need a woman’s body to thrive, to flourish, to grow. And while babies are undeniably sweet and cute and gorgeous and intoxicating, the needs of the woman in whose body they are growing MATTER. And if she doesn’t want that baby, and is prepared to actually murder that baby — sweet jesus — how can you even think of giving a woman like that a baby to take care of?
What can possibly go wrong?
Forcing babies on women who are too selfish, too broken, too downtrodden, too poor, too narcissistic, too self-absorbed, too overwhelmed to handle that only results in lots of neglected, abused, ignored and unwanted babies.
Imagine the world created by an army of psychopaths, forced to give birth to the next generation of psychopaths — imagine the dystopia after several generations of this psychopath-positive selection pressure.
As a culture, we sanction the use of deadly force in a number of different ways. Soldiers, obviously. And police officers. These bearers of sanctioned violence are allowed to shoot to kill.
Some cultures allow death penalties for certain crimes. I don’t agree with that, but it happens. Many countries allow average citizens to use deadly force to defend themselves against attackers. Hell, maybe ALL countries allow for that. We allow doctors to withdraw life support, thereby ensuring the death of the patient. Some countries allow assisted suicide.
There are criteria in place for where and when and under what circumstances the use of deadly force is allowed. So, at first blush, it seems reasonable that we should put some limits on the use of deadly force against a baby whose only crime is to be, for whatever reason, unwanted.
But on closer examination, it really doesn’t make any sense to have any limits at all. The vast majority of abortions take place in the first trimester anyways, when there is no neural activity, and no “I” exists.
And some of those abortions can be reasonable, rational decisions that thinking, feeling, educated women make based on their own circumstances and desires. Women who take action quickly because they understand the decision and have a right to make it.
Late term abortions are performed for a number of different reasons, some of them pretty horrific.
Daily Mail: Dozens of IVF babies are being aborted because they have Down’s syndrome
IVF mom aborts her Downs Syndrome baby. That’s just sick. Killing a baby because it has some sort of disability is, in my mind, just cruel and brutal and awful.
But how can anyone even think of condemning a child with special needs to a mother whose first desire is to murder him or her? What kind of love and care do you imagine such a woman would be capable of?
How about the lady who had two perfectly healthy babies, but decided she wasn’t up for twins. Her apartment might be too crowded. So she ruminated like the fucking cow that she is and eventually decided to murder her son.
Daily Mail: The Two-Minus-One Pregnancy
This woman clearly has rocks where her brains should be and solid concrete for a heart. This bitch is just evil, plain and simple. Did she give any thought at all to how her daughter might feel, knowing that it might have been her that Mommy slaughtered in utero?
But again, once a slag like this has made the decision to kill a little boy, how do you reconcile forcing that little boy to grow up alongside her? What good is going to come of that?
The simple fact is that the world contains just as many simple, stupid, cruel, selfish, horrible women as it does men. And some of these women will become pregnant. Forcing them to have babies they don’t want can only end in misery, for the baby who must live with these psychopaths, and for the rest of us, who get to live in a world populated by unwanted, unloved, neglected children.
It’s an ugly truth. But that doesn’t stop it from being true.
Did you have a late term miscarriage? You lost a baby. Your baby died, and I’m so sorry for your loss.
Did you have a late term abortion? You murdered a baby. You are a bona fide psychopath, and you made the right decision. No child should be born to a woman like you.
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For me, in the abortion argument, the baby isn’t even the crux of the matter. Ultimately it’s about forcing women to take responsibility for their actions so that they might learn to behave in a more responsible manner, which would be a huge net positive for society and in turn have the effect of bettering the current state of men. Think about the ramifications of female promiscuity. It has cascading negative effects all the way down.
Disingenuous argument like the lot of them.
Decisions like abortion don’t happen in a social vacuum where there’s a “rational agent” who chooses according to some moral calculus. We live in social circumstances and we are pressured by those around us and by general expectations.
We adopted legal abortion so that we can sweep certain social problems under the rug and pretend they don’t exist, and pluck young women out of the domestic workplace into the corporate workplace.
We now have a situation where a middle class girl who gets pregnant is for all intents and purposes socially COMMANDED to have an abortion. Don’t forget that. Abortion is now a practical and social COMMAND upon the majority of young women. It’s not a choice. We are all but coercing them directly.
If society gathered round and said, “we consider your choice to be a mother to be as dignified as a corporate position and we will support you and not abandon you in your maternal duties”, practically no one would have an abortion. Instead what we say is: You got pregnant? Stupid bitch! Don’t tell anyone and hurry along to the clinic so you can get on with your degree and ten years of professional experience, otherwise we’ll leave you as a single mother and call you a failure.
In some ways it’s even more cruel than China’s forced abortion policy, because at least the Chinese government didn’t gaslight their people into thinking it was a choice they had to personally bear the guilt of.
Why is it so hard for people to accept that abortion represents a weird edge case where our intuitive primers for morality sorta glitch out and that it is not possible to discuss abortion in the same way we discuss whether it’s wrong to steal or call someone a bad word? Rather it should make us realize that we completely fucked up elsewhere that we actually have to consider these questions now so that we can change whatever led to this and we never have to seriously consider them again. It stands undisputed that abortion is murder of a human being not necessarily of a person yet.
The article you posted that considers mothers who kill their sons and daughters the norm and that a woman is somehow always a victim of her own narcissism and selfishness and that changing her own behaviour in that regard is always outside of the scope of her own responsibility is pure evil.
but why does abortion even matter? if society is already corrupted abortion barely adds to that mental damage to the person getting the abortion. the fetus isnt even a thing that is capable of thought or understanding. killing a fetus is the same as smooshing a bug.
This is a really interesting perspective. Overall, I agree with you – my only quibble is that many of these women getting abortions (particularly the teenage ones, imho) have been completely taken in by the whole “it’s just a clump of cells” rhetoric. And I mean completely, I didn’t even question whether it could be a baby when I was their age. Thank god I never got pregnant back then.
I think if our whole society shared your attitude, things would actually work out quite nicely. Abortion completely legal, law doesn’t touch it – but society completely looks down on you for doing such a thing. Only the most desperate, or the most depraved would still have abortions, those who aren’t so fucked up would find a way to make it work, or at least choose adoption. Personally, I like this model if only so there’d be a natural selective pressure for the mentally ill to not reproduce.
Honestly, I think we’re headed to that anyway, even if we’re taking the atrociously scenic route. Sites like afterabortion.com, filled with women, many whom had abortions like it was nothing, and then faced the horror of what they’d done afterward. I really think in another generation we’ll finally setting children up for this kind of aftermath.
I understand your thinking here, JB, and it is obvious to me that you are speaking with the heart of a loving and compassionate mother. God bless you. But please consider: To sanction the death penalty for the “crime of being unwanted” shows where compassion can lead when it is not guided by those moral absolutes of which we all are innately aware and whose author by virtue of his omniscience really does know what is right and what is wrong. Murder is wrong. Period.
As to a person who would murder his or her baby: It’s a very good point that they very probably are not fit to give that child the love and nurture that he/she needs. That should be grounds for taking the child after birth and giving him/her to someone who will be a proper parent.
Let me repeat: I rejoice for your children and husband that they have been given such a dedicated wife and mother.
God bless you.